All these people that call for banning, naming and shaming need to remember what else we are doing on the wug. Also, ask yourselves whether you are aware or have always been aware of someone sharing inet, whether to help someone out or for profit, same thing I suppose. What matters now is that those who did it or are still doing it need to stop asap. And if they did stop then why name, shame or ban them. Really???
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Iâd like to throw my opinion into the ring here.
CTWUG is facing the same problem today as it started to face when I decided to leave the network, and itâs a problem that is only going to get worse, unless real considered change is made to the way new users are added to the network.
Consider the following:
Hundreds of people have spent thousands of hours physically building, configuring and coding systems to build CTWUG, often at great personal expense or via community donations, to create a FREE, FAIR and OPEN wifi network for ENTHUSIASTS to build onto and learn from, and to play the odd game on etc.
When someone comes along and starts to try and leverage off this network for financial gain, whether by selling or sharing internet access or more nefarious means, they are raising a middle finger to those that have built and spent their own money on creating an infrastructure off which that person is now profiting. This goes against not only the core principles of why CTWUG was started, but also against the rules and constitution of the group.
This problem is one of your own creation though - instead of sticking to growing a group of enthusiasts, the network is sold to end-user types that donât have any interest or want to learn and use the network for what it is really for - to build and learn from. They get connected by a friend or family member and are left to their own devices, making use of CTWUG as if it was a commercial product, so when offered things like internet for a cost, they assume its okay and within the scope of what is acceptable.
CTWUG needs to take a long, hard, honest look internally at the calibre of user it is connecting to the network, scale back on trying to rapidly expand for numbers and set its sights on the root of the groupâs formation - ENTHUSIASTS that are here to LEARN from one another and become a COMMUNITY.
/2c
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I was also wanting to join the CTWUG network recently and to my understanding internet was also a possible option, I guess that people were just advertising the network incorrectly, Although I really wanted to join CTWUG and learn something new I just got internet access instead as I did not want to deal with some of the dodgy people in my location and the drama I have heard of all to many times. I will tell you all one thing, Mitchellâs Plain has a few people using this network to sell internet(just ask any trustworthy person in the area) and a guy I work with is also getting internet through his CTWUG connection from a different area also and if the network really wants to make changes first remove all the bad apples from your network as it takes only a few greedy people to destroy everything good honest people have worked hard to establish. I would really love to join your network in the future maybe once all this has blow over. I am not sure what your network uses to monitor their devices but I think maybe it is time you invest in paid software that can keep track of all routers and devices on your network or if you can find free ones they by all means. I hope my input helps you in anyway and if you can provide me with a email address I can provide you with what little information I have.
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I will send you guys an email after office hours with some information.
WOW, I hope youâre from the Plain and have your facts including proof. For someone who has just joined in August you seem to be really sure about things in Plain. For all we know, youâre not even from the Plain. Who would be âany trustworthy personâ, you make it sound like no one except a few people in the Plain are trustworthy. If you know something, then say it as it is right on this forum and donât go after hearsay without proof. My point though with some irritation, get proof and present it here, you are generalising about more than a 100 Plain wuggers, me included. Else STFU noob!!!
Everyone reading this post, donât come after me because of this noob who speaks about things as if his had so many years of experience with Mitchell Plain wuggers and know all their dirty secrets. We had enough issues in the past that WE dealt with ourselves and got them sorted. This guy is a coward, is probably an old wugger who created a new account. But for him to make such accusations after being a forum member for only a month is absurd. He probably isnât even from the Plain, so how would he have such information.
***Just checked WiND, this buttercupâs location says Mitchell Plain but his node is in the middle of the ocean. Again, old wugger, new profile!!!
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There are always 2 sides to a story and I hope you donât go making trouble were there is non, if you have valid information then use it but if you are another person trying to make trouble for something you have no part of then please stay away. We have people investigating this matter within the greater CTWUG and within our areas as well. So if you are just looking for trouble please go look elsewere as you have done nothing to deserve our respect all you have done is cause more issues.
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I agree with u arizona. Sounds like a old wugger with bad taste in his mouth now he want to discredit Mitchells plain and Ctwug overall.Looks to me you are high on weed @Greenhouse.Get your facts straight.One truthful thing is theres always drama but thats what happen with familiesâŚWe one big happy Ctwug family.and issues get sorted one or the other way.Only one sounding dodgy is you.Look to me your were the bad apple and got removed.So keep your stupid comments to yourself and smoke your weed dont let it smoke you.My 2cents just saying
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Seems to me whatever I may say wonât make a difference so I wish you all good luck on your endeavours
Seems to me youâve done the damage you most likely intentionally set out to do⌠as to why you did still baffles me.
Youâve lumped a majority and pointed a finger @Mitchellâs Plain⌠that includes people/wuggers who have selflessly worked on behalf of ctwug in the MP area.
You start out by saying:
In other words your only reason for wanting to join is âcheap internetâ?
Then you sidestep by saying:
then you follow up by saying:
The one above is confusing as all hellâŚ
???
This only serves to reinforce opinion that you only wanted cheap internet.
Our network is monitored by the sweat, blood and tears (including the use of whatever free software may already be on the market) of its members but you are more than welcome to purchase said software and donate it to ctwug
No it doesnât
I have been advocating the use of ctwug network for many other things other than gaming and audi e.g: a real network related channel where you could actually learn something⌠anything educational for that matter. Maybe its time for us to step in that directionâŚ
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Whole of Mitchells Plain upset now. If the shoe doesnât fit, why let it bother you.
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Guys, bottom line is that we do have the problem. Why not let GreenHouse submit what he has, comms will actually filter through & ignore if not sufficient, or act if necessary. At the end of the day it may actually turn out that the "seller may actually not be in MP.
Bottom line: Canât hurt to have the info sentâŚ
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Yes we are, sorry. It just seems odd, to me at least.
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Is it not obvious why???
I think you were a bit quick on the trigger there. Telling âbuttercup to STFUâ? I would expect more from someone with your standing in the wug community. Lead by example. If he has any evidence the committee look into it, otherwise not.
Please guys, this is an open forum with anyone able to access it, letâs try and keep things civil.
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Itâs exactly because of his âlong standing in the communityâ that he is able to say this⌠He is one of the few thatâs well known within the MP community; thatâs kept the faith and worked with wuggers despite the snot nosed remarks being leveled at MP as a whole⌠Iâd suggest proof be handed to comms and the perpetrator be judged on individuality and not on the area he comes fromâŚ
If the AREA is to be crucified then Iâd further suggest we all look to our own backyardsâŚ
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f youâre not doing something wrong, why worry. And Iâm pretty sure itâs not only MP, probably only because he knows MP. Or whatever.
Would like to see what he submits as âevidenceâ though.
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I have to agree whit @Spaffy here a âMAN Of Your standingâ should know better than attacking on a open forum. @arizona. Emotion may run high but please keep it civil, every single one on here started as a noob.
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My sincere apologies if I offended anyone, except GreenHouse. Cant help it, but my instinct says heâs deliberately trying to put us in a bad light. I really hope he presents any evidence so that we can at least start dealing with issues if there are any.
@GreenHouse, reveal your original id, name the wuggers and stop being a coward and hide behind a smurf account.
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